<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' version='2.0'><channel><atom:id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934</atom:id><lastBuildDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:40:18 +0000</lastBuildDate><title>Norwich Central Baptist Church</title><description></description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/</link><managingEditor>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>45</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2443027904708470652</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-20T05:40:18.158-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;CHRISTMAS 1939….&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;During this season of dark nights, sharp viewing conditions and twinkling Christmas lights, my mind’s eye turns to the stars of deep space. It is appropriate then that during my perusal of the December editions of St Mary’s Baptist church magazine I should find the following article written by St Mary’s minister Rev Gilbert Laws, D.D. The date is December 1939, about 3 months after the declaration of war with Germany. I think the article should speak for itself so here it is in its entirety:&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf7IFY2NwI/AAAAAAAAA8k/rz0DKl2XMU0/s1600-h/DSCN4410.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 239px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf7IFY2NwI/AAAAAAAAA8k/rz0DKl2XMU0/s320/DSCN4410.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5415573193240229634" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf7fP2vXQI/AAAAAAAAA8s/dC_BKmwsdkE/s1600-h/DSCN4411.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 239px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf7fP2vXQI/AAAAAAAAA8s/dC_BKmwsdkE/s320/DSCN4411.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5415573591186955522" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf6v6qHsUI/AAAAAAAAA8U/I6pZsmTixts/s1600-h/DSCN4412.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 239px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf6v6qHsUI/AAAAAAAAA8U/I6pZsmTixts/s320/DSCN4412.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5415572778043027778" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Click to enlarge&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;My Comments&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given the darkness of those days in more sense than one, perhaps Laws’ mind turned to the heavens in an attempt get a perspective on the affairs of men. Or perhaps whilst pondering the evil of his times he wondered if God was really mindful of man. Laws remarks on the paradox that the modern Christian theist faces given man’s ever increasing understanding of his context; the familiar paradox arising out of a generalized form of Copernicanism: The vastness of the universe revealed by science cuts across any notion that man is the physical center to that universe. There is, as Laws points out, absolutely nothing special about the cosmic situation of man. This sets up a paradox for Biblical theists like Laws because, says Laws &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“ ...the Bible speaks as if man were the centre of the universe, as if things existed for his sake, and derived their meaning from his existence”&lt;/span&gt;. But for Laws what offsets these huge distances and restores the specialness of man is that “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;there is something in man that over-balances mere magnitude, however vast”&lt;/span&gt; and that something according to Laws is the self conscious sentience of man: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Man is able to look up and say ‘I’ which no sun or star or other material created material thing could ever say. Moreover, man in looking up is able to say ‘Thou’ to God…”&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf5xxMEwYI/AAAAAAAAA8E/1Ozwz5oKJcE/s1600-h/HubbleDeepFieldL.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 314px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf5xxMEwYI/AAAAAAAAA8E/1Ozwz5oKJcE/s320/HubbleDeepFieldL.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5415571710349197698" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The physical universe as Gilbert Laws conceived it: vast and impersonal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Leaving aside the deep philosophical questions over whether man’s consciousness really does restore asymmetry to the universe by justifying the assignment of a pre-Copernican specialness to man, what I would like to draw attention to here is that nowhere does Laws attack the science of his day. He assumes the universe is old: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“He [Man] dwells on one speck of a world and even so is a late-comer on it, for as the testimony of the rocks declares, it was a world of life for uncounted centuries before man appeared at all”&lt;/span&gt;. He also assumes the Earth is a natural product of the solar system: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Our Earth is but a child of the Sun, a speck at one time flung out of that molten mass into space..”&lt;/span&gt;  Laws raises no anti-evolution sentiments when he has the opportunity to: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“….now cooled enough for the appearance of life upon it, and so fitted through uncounted years, for man’s abode.”&lt;/span&gt;  There may be life on other planets suggests Laws: “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Other children also our sun has, though whether they have life upon them we do not know. Moreover our sun is but one of millions of suns… immeasurably greater many of them than the sun round which our little world revolves.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems then that there is no implicit assumption on Laws part that science is fundamentally anti-Christian; he takes the findings of science on board at least tentatively. In the milieu of his day there appears to be no need to even so much as defend science’s findings and status, let alone attack science as an anti-Christ conspiracy. As a respected leader of a civic church Laws belonged to no marginalized sect alienated from the rest of society and thus had no reason to question science; if anything the Baptists he represented were very much part of the establishment. What concerns Laws’ most is not the validity of science’s findings, but just what  light they throw on the human predicament should those findings prove to be true. And yet reading the church magazines of Laws’ day there is nothing to suggest that these Baptists where anything other than Biblically orthodox.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Laws attitude, of course, is in sharp contrast to many of today’s Christian ministers who have taken on board the anti-science fideism of fundamentalism. They have attempted to reestablish a physical pre-Copernicanism by shrinking cosmic dimensions in time and they even toy with geocentric models of the universe. My guess is that this stance is bound up with a church that is increasingly becoming marginalized. In fact in some quarters this church is morphing into a sect alienated from civic and academic life, a fertile ground for conspiracy theory. Consequently there is more reason for that church to set up alternative and even rival communities that sharply contrast themselves over against the rest of society, despising the science of that society. In Laws’ day the term “community church” would have been difficult to understand, for as I have said many church goers, even nonconformists, were part of the establishment and pillars of society. They were no separatist Mennonite-like pacifist community alienated from the bulk of society; they had moved into the social main stream and in 1939 St Mary’s Baptist church was mobilising its members to fight in the biggest war of all time, a war that took 50 million plus lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf5gWncpfI/AAAAAAAAA78/Z6SObNd1M8Q/s1600-h/kincadeGoneWrong.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf5gWncpfI/AAAAAAAAA78/Z6SObNd1M8Q/s320/kincadeGoneWrong.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5415571411158476274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Fundamentalist geocentric cosmologies are a kind of cute cosy sentimental Kincadain Kitsch. But something has gone badly wrong in this picture – the cold scientific conspiracy looms in the background.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Laws knew a great deal more about science than the Biblical writer of Psalm 8 (or some of today’s willfully ignorant and shallow fundamentalists) who provided the text for his probing article of Christmas 1939. But Laws took comfort in the fact the Copernican paradox wasn’t just a discovery of the scientific age.  For although the Biblical writers were part of an arcadian culture very different from our own industrial culture, they were nothing if frank about their doubts; with candor they brought these doubts out into the open. They too could say “Thou” to God and although they only had at their disposal naked eye astronomy and crude theoretical models  when they looked up at the dark sky they nevertheless  sensed the same intuitive diffidence engendered by the Copernican paradox*. But along with Gilbert Laws they also took it as an opportunity to glory in God’s grace: “For a single rose a field of thorns was spared”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Note 18/12/09&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* When David wrote Psalm 8 he presumably  had a geocentric vision of cosmology; it is  therefore all the more interesting that the stars of the sky should  provoke such a strong feeling of amazement at God's mindfulness of man. Today, with our modern cosmic vision, we perhaps impute far more meaning to David's words than he ever could. It is likely that  these words were based  more on intuition than they were a full appreciation of man's actual physical insignificance. In fact it is possible that the connection David was making was less to do with man's physical insignificance than it was  to do with some deeply felt inspiration of God's majesty and immensity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this context it is interesting to note the reaction of some  Young Earth Creationists to generalised Copernicanism. One  YEC web site I have read entertains a cosmology where "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Earth is near the centre of the Universe&lt;/span&gt;". They go on to question the "Copernican Principle": "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This principle, it is important to note, is not a conclusion of science, but an assumption thought to be valid&lt;/span&gt;. ". YEC theory is moving to a point where it sees the Christian faith  bound up with a pre-Copernican cosmology. This is so counter current to the trends of mainstream science that it's no surprise that the YEC movement and conspiracy theorists are eying one another up with interest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2443027904708470652?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/12/christmas-1939.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Syf7IFY2NwI/AAAAAAAAA8k/rz0DKl2XMU0/s72-c/DSCN4410.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-4912912969101193127</guid><pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-28T15:27:53.654-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE GHOSTS OF NCBC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Nowadays cleaning is the only job I can get.  I used to be computer programmer but in the fast moving IT world of “here today and gone tomorrow” experience is constantly requiring a rebuild. Thus accumulated wisdom is of less value than it used to be. Nevertheless cleaning has its big compensations, especially if you are a cleaner at locations of historical interest. It means you get to savour that spooky out of hours mood in places where, for the imaginative mind, history comes back to haunt the living.  I have to confess, however, that in spite of the strange things I hear said I’ve never seen, heard, smelt, or felt any “ghosts” even in some of Britain’s premier haunted sites (e.g. in a  deserted Bodmin jail which got a five skull rating from the team of Living TV’s “Most haunted” series). But having convinced myself that subjectivity plays a large part in hauntings I was in for a shock one day whilst cleaning at NCBC near sunset. In the deserted church I saw a man surrounded by an eerie illumination carving a memorial stone:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_W1GGsC3I/AAAAAAAAA6s/5sNnLGY_2ak/s1600/DSCN4387.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 239px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_W1GGsC3I/AAAAAAAAA6s/5sNnLGY_2ak/s320/DSCN4387.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5408777885155330930" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;NCBC's creepy memorial stones.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As if there is a measure of shame or distaste associated with the history and traditions of the Duke Street location I once heard a rumor that the removal of NCBC’s old stone memorials was mooted at a church council meeting. There was even a suggestion that someone had somehow construed these memorials as “Blasphemous”; yes my church does contain believers with that kind of paranoiac spirituality which sees terrible sin lurking wherever its own practices and beliefs are not observed. (Any truly inclusivist church must allow a quota of such people).  So given this background I racked my brains in doubt; whoever in our church would initiate the carving of a post mortem memorial? I had heard no mention of this stone work in the services, so what then was I witnessing? Was this a ghost? Was it a vision of a past time? Was it a time slip?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A restorationist and rivalist mentality has pervaded large parts of EPC (Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Charismatic) Christianity. In reaction against the traditions of the fading and spent civic church the latter third of the 20th century saw a desire to rediscover fancied church blueprints and gnostic blessings in an endeavour restore a “New Testament” church.  True, it has to be admitted that large tracts of history display a very mongrel church, a church swaying this way and that in winds of time. But late 20th century EPC church looked (naively I to my mind) for an anchored spiritual pedigree. It had no self conscious inkling that the styles, tastes and imperatives it hankered for may one day also pass and look quaintly arbitrary. Fortunately this ethos has not infected NCBC strongly but it has perhaps left it with a desire to disconnect from the past; its historical setting is accordingly undervalued impeding a proper evaluation of its own ephemeral place in history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Christianity means anything at all, then it cannot adopt the stance of the restorationist and rivivalist cults like the Mormons and JWs who write off large swathes of the past as beyond redemption. We must look back on previous Christian cultures with sympathy, making all due allowance for the environment in which they found themselves and had to do business with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After a bit of investigation the situation over the memorial stone became clear. Legal obligations on the death of a spouse required her name to be carved beside that of her dead husband. The memorial stone concerned is none other than that for the late Mr. and Mrs. Charles Boardman Jewson who respectively served as Lord Mayor and Lady Mayoress of Norwich in 1965. They were the bastions of both civic society and the Duke St Baptist church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_WPbpan7I/AAAAAAAAA6k/A5Pa0SoGCGg/s1600/hist07.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 182px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_WPbpan7I/AAAAAAAAA6k/A5Pa0SoGCGg/s320/hist07.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5408777238103105458" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Pillars of Church and Society: The Jewsons in 1965&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;What I had witnessed on that atmospheric late autumn afternoon was real, but no less incongruous and peculiar. Here was an event that had its cause rooted in the distant cultural past of the church – the fag end of the logic of that culture was still working itself out and I felt privileged to be in the right place at the right time to see what may well be one of the very last deeds of the spent civic church. The legal connection was no surprise to me; no one in NCBC would have initiated it otherwise. The deed, as it were, had to be a signal emanating from past, like the light of some distance galaxy; so in that sense I had witnessed a ghost!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_VuFQlpJI/AAAAAAAAA6c/_KKtiPTdtwA/s1600/DSCN4390.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 239px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_VuFQlpJI/AAAAAAAAA6c/_KKtiPTdtwA/s320/DSCN4390.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5408776665157706898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;An echo from the past: Memorial Stone addendum with mason's marking paint still in place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-4912912969101193127?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/11/ghosts-of-ncbc-nowadays-cleaning-is.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sw_W1GGsC3I/AAAAAAAAA6s/5sNnLGY_2ak/s72-c/DSCN4387.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2644674798233600135</guid><pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-10T05:23:37.858-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;SEVENTY YEARS AGO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A few years ago (2003) I wrote a short article (for a now defunct church magazine) on the pseudo gothic architecture of Dereham Road Baptist Church (The building used by one of the churches that merged to form Norwich Central Baptist church).  In that article I wrote of Dereham Baptist Church and its Baptist builders:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Their aping of establishment architecture was a sign that they were more at ease with and better integrated into the wider culture than we are. Their churches were chiefly preaching centres serving a much more public life oriented Christianity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Like the mammals of saurian times, faith has often been unable to venture beyond the deep recesses of an intensely private life. Today, the "Sermon in Stone" that is DRBC hardly seems a safe way to express faith and it is unlikely to elicit the respect of today's touchy-feeley Christians for whom it will not register as a product of authentic heartfelt religion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;However, the church, now somewhat marginalised, is much less part of the trappings of civic society than it used to be and has had to re-adapt. The community church has superseded the municipal church, and yet the community church often has little choice but to make best use of an architectural legacy. We may feel more at home with that legacy if we try to judge it on its own terms. To the Christians of its day the quasi-civic architecture of DRBC was clearly significant and betrayed a pride in their public connections, connections that for us are all too thin on the ground.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The general idea I tried to express here was that in those days the non-conformist church felt itself to be part of the civic establishment, and this showed in their use of civic architecture. In the case of DRBC they used the gothic style, but often the “secular” classical style was also co-opted to express how Christians felt about their role and position is society; they didn’t think of themselves as a marginalized pressure group or social charity on the edge of an otherwise alien culture but saw their role as much needed Christian salt well, qualified to help run society. They identified with their society and to some extent they were that society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The conclusions I drew in 2003 have since been corroborated in my mind by a recent delving into the archive of back copies of St Mary’s church magazine. I randomly selected the year 1939, opened up the first page of the January edition and this is what I read:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/StB42mNYcDI/AAAAAAAAA28/E2EIrPzIZ5g/s1600-h/DSCN4336.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 239px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/StB42mNYcDI/AAAAAAAAA28/E2EIrPzIZ5g/s320/DSCN4336.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5390941633327427634" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(click to enlarge)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;…we take it as recognition of the place the free churches fill in the life of the community and the service rendered by them to the public well being…. Have made a notable contribution to the moral, educational and spiritual welfare of this city… St Mary’s honourable association with the Sheriff… George White MP…. eight members have filled the office of Mayor….public servant…..President Lincoln…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This stuff sounds so much like parts of America today*. But over here?  Things, of course, have changed. In my original article I contrasted the “municipal church” of the past with the “community church” of today, but I added a footnote saying that I really wasn’t sure just what the so called “community church” was:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I am sure it means something, if only to express the self image and aspirations of churches groping to find an identity and role as they attempt to adapt to changed and changing circumstances. My use of the term “Community Church” doesn’t mean to say that I know what it means; I am attempting to understand this self proclaimed role of contemporary churches by contrasting it with something that it certainly is not, namely, the old style municipal church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Adapting to changed and changing circumstances…”&lt;/span&gt; is probably the key point here. But as Christians adapt to changed circumstances they may be egotistical enough to think that their contemporary expression of church is not a mere adaptation to the current milieu but the restoration of a timeless blueprint and the only way of doing church. In this connection it is perhaps worth noting that today’s marginalized church probably finds itself in circumstances similar to those of the early emerging church. This may help explain why some contemporary Christians connect with the emerging church of the first century and find a ready expression by doing things the “New Testament way”. But human restorationist conceits may underrate those who in times past did their emerging church differently in order to adapt to the opportunities society provided in their day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/StB4Y6oq2qI/AAAAAAAAA20/Gbt4QdIIxDk/s1600-h/ncbc03.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 216px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/StB4Y6oq2qI/AAAAAAAAA20/Gbt4QdIIxDk/s320/ncbc03.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5390941123414514338" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This scene from the NCBC launch service of 8/6/03 looks to be a nostalgic throwback!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;* Footnote&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Interestingly evidence suggests that St Mary’s Baptist church had sympathy for the Americans in the war of independence. In 1781 Rees David, minister of St Mary’s Baptist church, preached a sermon attacking the war against the Americans.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2644674798233600135?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/10/seventy-years-ago-few-years-ago-2003-i.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/StB42mNYcDI/AAAAAAAAA28/E2EIrPzIZ5g/s72-c/DSCN4336.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2196508358358953208</guid><pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-04T08:01:02.229-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE PASTOR IS MY SHEPHERD.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Ssi4jOXdzEI/AAAAAAAAA2c/kZOO5rjgikU/s1600-h/pastorsmembers.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 238px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Ssi4jOXdzEI/AAAAAAAAA2c/kZOO5rjgikU/s320/pastorsmembers.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5388759869440248898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After a quick investigation on the web I wasn't able to determine whether the above was a piece of satire or the real thing. Then I thought to myself shouldn't I be able to tell anyway? Fact is, I can't tell the difference and that's a little bit worrying. The man pictured &lt;a href="http://viewsnewsandpews.blogspot.com/2009/07/god-father.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; might have something to do with it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2196508358358953208?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/10/pastor-is-my-shepherd.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Ssi4jOXdzEI/AAAAAAAAA2c/kZOO5rjgikU/s72-c/pastorsmembers.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-226334765649743162</guid><pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-26T10:09:06.201-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE BEDFORD BLESSING FINAL PART: FAILURE AND RECRIMINATION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The last in my series on the arrival of the 1995 "Bedford Blessing" at Dereham Road Baptist Church. This series was written in 1997, but only now has been released for general view&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SpVlp5pWtNI/AAAAAAAAA0M/F5coZmDvA18/s1600-h/Farm_Circles_Old_Macdonald_Room_copy.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 236px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SpVlp5pWtNI/AAAAAAAAA0M/F5coZmDvA18/s320/Farm_Circles_Old_Macdonald_Room_copy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5374313500859872466" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As a principle in public relations it is a good idea to give people the benefit of the doubt and to be prepared to at least to give an initial qualified acceptance to those Christians who believe they have had some blessing or revelation from God. So, when the Bedford Baptist group arrived at Dereham Road Baptist church in the early spring of 1995 I thought it important that nothing be ruled out in an off hand manner and felt it right to show them the courtesy of being prepared to receive whatever they thought God saw fit to make them agents of. After all, in the architecture of his church Christians are the living stones of a spiritual house, a holy priesthood ministering to one another in spite of human defect. And so I submitted myself to their prayers, although with no observable effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"No observable effect" was, except in a handful of cases, the rule that day, and the acclaimed hallmarks of the "Toronto blessing", at least in quantity, were absent; there was no mass loss of balance, little, if any, hysterical laughter and crying, and absolutely no "old McDonaldisms". There was one person who stood up and was prayed over for a long time, the intention being that he would eventually collapse under the wind of the Spirit. To all appearances one of the Bedford assistants started to get impatient with this person, and proceeded to flap his hands up and down in front of the subject as if the small wind thus created would help achieve what they were looking for.  When the subject, who had closed eyes and outstretched hands (a position, which if maintained, is not conducive to good balance), eventually did keel over, it was not really a surprise, and I wondered how that person managed to keep standing for so long.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a principle of self protection, it is a good idea that one's acceptance of the claims of Christian subcultures is always qualified, and if such cultures fail to claim the benefit of the doubt and fail to earn respect, then there is an even chance that there is something wrong with them. Of course, there is an even chance that one's assessment is at fault, but the point here is that no one is so privileged that they are excepted from having to prove themselves. But herein lies the rub for many vendors of blessing and quasi cult Christian groups, because for them an attitude where the benefit of the doubt is given against a background of qualified acceptance is simply not considered enough ("benefit of the doubt ? - you shouldn't have any doubts !"), and anything less than an a-priori unqualified proactive acceptance of their claims is seized on to explain away why things don't work out in the way they expect. Unless it all happens in the way they say it should, happen you fail to get their religious respect and may even be despised. In particular there is often a deep suspicion of positive, convinced, and secure Christian living independent of their means and method of blessing as, of course, they believe that it must all happen in the way they understand or via their ministries. It is upon an ethos of this sort that many "holy spirit "gnosis ministries are founded and nowadays, once I detect it I usually rule them out because, frankly, experience has taught me that you just cannot win with such people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, as far as I personally was concerned, the Toronto Blessing, under the agency of Bedford, had a window of opportunity between two principles; one principle requiring an initial positive response, a kind of being prepared to give it a generous try, and the other stipulating that patience is not unlimited because anything coming via human agency must prove itself. Both with deference to these principles and with hindsight I now have to admit, however, that although I believe I gave Toronto-ism a fair hearing, my eventual overall impressions of it were not good. Several years after its beginning it was difficult to ascertain if, amid the gains and losses, there was in fact a net gain of anything except disillusionment. Perhaps there may have been something in it at the beginning (and I wouldn't want to rule it out absolutely), but let me say this; if there was something in it then the Christian subculture which promulgated it did such a bad marketing job that I found it impossible to tell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For my own part I have to say that if there was a positive side to  the Bedford Blessing they did not only failed to prove this to me but they also, in general, failed to communicate to me at all in a way that I understood or on a level that met me where I was at. They would, of course, be likely to see this as my fault rather than their own. But herein lies the problem, because it is often true that if the latest concept in blessing is not seen to be received it seems that the vendors of blessing will not let things lie and simply accept that God's time and place is not yet, but instead are inclined to witch hunt. It is then not advisable to reveal a less than wholly uncritical attitude as this will seem to explain the ineffectiveness of their ministry, and  be taken as a sign of some deep seated spiritual blockage that needs exorcism; for it seems that they find it difficult to have a healthy regard for any faith they consider to be uninitiated into the secrets of the Holy Spirit as they understand them. Their self satisfaction leads them to carelessly squander the chance of acceptance they are given; they excuse themselves from the duty of earning respect and the responsibility of proving their worth by faulting instead those who fail to respond to their ministry, thus unintentionally reinforcing some of the very reservations they would criticise. The result is a feedback cycle that needlessly strains loyalties, alienates and may even lead to deep enmities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes I feel that there is some awful joke being perpetrated upon the church that plays on peoples insecurities and uncertainties about the nature of God, what he can do, and his claims on us. These uncertainties are exploited by an archetypical system of human religious relationships to subtly cast doubt on the Christian’s independent ability to judge and discern, and to help ease the introduction of a culture of childish dependence. The protective value of critical reservations are thus confiscated amid hints that such are somehow anti-faith and anti-God. And so the aim is to beat down bit by bit the spiritual immune system as the tasks the Christian is asked to perform and what the Christian is asked to believe, slowly get more and more insane, until eventually he or she is on all fours barking like a dog.             &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;                               c. T. V. Reeves June 1997&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-226334765649743162?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/08/bedford-blessing-final-part-failure-and.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SpVlp5pWtNI/AAAAAAAAA0M/F5coZmDvA18/s72-c/Farm_Circles_Old_Macdonald_Room_copy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2860113794609715517</guid><pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:04:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-18T03:10:42.247-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE BEDFORD BLESSING PART 4: HISTORY MOVES ON BUT DOESN'T CHANGE.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Continuing my series on the arrival of the 1995 "Bedford Blessing" at Dereham Road Baptist Church. This series was written in 1997, but only now has been released for general view.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SmGfiCjyF1I/AAAAAAAAAx8/bdTs4NEC6to/s1600-h/Worship.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 243px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SmGfiCjyF1I/AAAAAAAAAx8/bdTs4NEC6to/s320/Worship.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5359740438698923858" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;The scene on that day in the early spring of 1995 was, however, fascinating, and in many respects was replete with historical significance. History hadn’t stopped, but time was marching on there and then, presenting a new transition and a new puzzle, a puzzle that, if there is much more history, will one day be looked back on and seen as deeply mysterious. Historians of those future days will wish for a time machine in order to solve the enigma. But I needed no time machine; I was privileged to watch as history was deposited before my eyes. Here, in one environment, was the superposition of three layers of Christian culture: First, the mediaeval period, whose symbolism could just be discerned in the pseudo Gothic architecture; second, the pulpit period, and its “Logos culture” which had at its heart the ministry of words, the sermon and message; third, the post-modern crypto-priesthood period with its “holy spirit” culture, having at its heart the ministry of gnosis and God’s touch in a variety of forms. And the latter two periods vied with one another. But for all the differences between the hi-pulpits of hi-reason and the hi-priests of hi-mystique, they have, at their extremes, profound similarities. Behind the pulpit ethos, derived from the reformation, of a desire for the Bible to be a book open to and interpreted by all, is some kind of overcompensation; an overcompensation seen in the overpowering and central presence of the pulpits, overstated in their height and grandeur, like mini ramparts defending the Bible’s message against those who would attack it. Likewise, in those crypto-priesthoods, with their patriarchy, mystique, and their living pulpit of supporting followers, who hang onto their words not daring to fault them, we also find an overpowering and overstated presence engaged in some kind of overcompensation; an overcompensation seen in their tendency to closely identify the power of the Spirit with a gnosis that is experienced rather than learnt; an adaptive response, I believe, to help cope with a world that seems increasingly spiritually sterile, and with which those crypto-priesthoods have failed to come to terms with, or make sense of.  The ironic truth is that they have never really understood or accepted the work of the Spirit of God, except perhaps when it appears to them as some novel kind of magic. In them has Christian thought sunk to its nadir: They cannot account for the depths of space; they cannot explain the meaning of atomism; they cannot throw light on evolutionary theory; they cannot bridge the gap between consciousness and matter. In short they can offer no explanations at all to a secular culture that ponders the meaning of these things. One may well ask, however, "Who can explain them ?". But our spiritual patriarchs are likely to claim that no explanations are required;  fearful perhaps of a threat to their authority they prefer to believe that spirituality can in no way be a function of such things. Instead they bypass the difficulties these questions create by stressing the superiority of a deeply felt heart knowledge which is often caricatured as an almost a fidiest state of mind that should be independent of the products of the enlightenment. They therefore depict Christian experience as primarily finding its solace and resting place in a kind of gnosis which does not need to feed on reason. Thus is faith disconnected and therefore protected from the awkward challenges of the material world. With the loss of credibility in Christian rationales, both within the church and without, the pride in the ministry of words which those huge pulpits once represented has gone and their sheer size has become an embarrassment. The church has therefore withdrawn somewhat from the intellectual role it once played preferring instead to enhance the personal and social dimensions of its community life; something that in these days of social anonymity and disruption it can usefully engage in and retain self respect. The crypto-priesthoods, however, have diffused into niches created by the need for stable religious communities by inventing themselves as patriarchal overseers, their vaunted closeness to God offering a little bit of the divine on Earth and therefore, some might feel, a much needed sense of the presence of God.       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;But it may be even worse than this. At the extremes of the dichotomy of pulpit and priest the unspoken message one gets from both is the same: With their overstatement, their kudos and their overpowering and sometimes intimidating presence, that message is: "We give and you receive", "We teach and you learn". It is, therefore, in return, very hard to teach them anything, the spiritual traffic being mostly one way, and to attempt to open a dialogue with them is to put yourself up as a rival and to be the cause of an affront. They do not willingly and knowingly draw from traditions different from their own because they are usually unacceptable to them, whether or not those traditions have a positive faith in Christ. Here we have a demonstration of a very ironic yet important moral fact: Receiving is something that is actually harder than giving, a nigh on impossible task for the spiritually proud. It is, nevertheless a moral duty, just as, say, providing alms for the poor. But this is hardly a surprise: Christianity is, from the outset, more about receiving than giving, a religion that requires one to repent of sins and through Christ receive forgiveness and the Spirit of adoption by which we cry "Abba, Father".  What need is there for anyone to tell us this and to administer this spirit to us when it is written:  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“You have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth ... it remains in you and you do not need anyone to teach you”.     &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2860113794609715517?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/07/bedford-blessing-part-4-history-moves.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SmGfiCjyF1I/AAAAAAAAAx8/bdTs4NEC6to/s72-c/Worship.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8346348934312115398</guid><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-05T04:02:51.697-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE BEDFORD BLESSING PART 3: SWEET FORGETFULNESS AND SUBLIMATION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Continuing my series on the arrival of the 1995 "Bedford Blessing" at Dereham Road Baptist Church. This series was written in 1997, but only now has been released for general viewing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SlCICYdAHwI/AAAAAAAAAw0/A4xH10PJMWk/s1600-h/Druids.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 206px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SlCICYdAHwI/AAAAAAAAAw0/A4xH10PJMWk/s320/Druids.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5354929531448729346" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is nothing in a name but an expression for what something is, and whether you called them an acting priesthood or not, those Bedford Baptists were what they were, and what they were was apparently archetypical. But just how much of the old priestly archetype was actually, and no doubt unknowingly, being rehashed on that day at Dereham road Baptist church in the early spring of AD 1995 is difficult to tell, because if it was, then it was all very subliminal and heavily encrypted. History never truly repeats itself because there is always some feedback from the past. A man may learn from experience and yet still be tempted into old ways of doing things. He thus satiates both the temptation and the demands of learning by a combination of energy redirection, and behavioural modification that include the use of terms, labels and language that dress up his behaviour in a different guise. He is, however, always walking on the edge, and is in constant danger of deceiving himself and fulfilling his temptation directly. On that early spring day of 1995 I saw an analogous situation; the gravitational draw of ancient religious relations was acting, or at least trying to act; ethereal lighter than air high passion spiritual patter was bubbling to the top; familiar old motifs were presented in a modified guise: “Gnosis” became “God’s touch”, “Inner light” became “heart knowledge”, Priestly bearing became Spiritual Authority.  It is really, however, all a matter of degree and balance. Each of these religious motifs may have a place in a genuine Christian culture, but if the balance is lost over these things it starts to show. The ministers of blessing then become imparters of gnosis  and a closed shop who claim sole agency, seeing in their own expression of faith the prime focus and source of God’s work and blessing. They then show an unwillingness to engage in equitable and reciprocal relations with those whose blessings are different from their own, much preferring to relate, like religious salesman, by offering their priestly services. They exploit the demands created by spiritual vulnerability, and  fulfil the need for patriarchal leadership of close Christian community in a remnant church whose role is now far less integrated with the larger society. They have a sharp eye for the spiritual inadequacy and flaw that creates the need for their services amongst those they seek to lead and those who may sometimes confer upon them a status not unlike that of the priestly patriarchs of old. For these patriarchs do not chose their role themselves; it is chosen for them by those who choose to be lead by them. They are an evolutionary product of the sea of faith, being selected, at times unwillingly, by an unsettling modern spiritual environment where people are once again tempted to look to the chancellery for authority, blessing, and above all religious security. This, then, is one facet of today's spiritual ethos. It is one that works. It is one that has not so much been consciously selected for as it is what is left when other candidates for selection have failed; it is an an island of survival in a sea of failure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8346348934312115398?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/07/bedford-blessing-part-3-sweet.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SlCICYdAHwI/AAAAAAAAAw0/A4xH10PJMWk/s72-c/Druids.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-874050217484930634</guid><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-21T04:26:45.125-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE BEDFORD BLESSIN&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;G PART 2: THE PRIESTHOOD!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sj0NJqnOH4I/AAAAAAAAAv8/buP9d4TL6X8/s1600-h/Basic_Priest_Priesthood_Ordain.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 281px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sj0NJqnOH4I/AAAAAAAAAv8/buP9d4TL6X8/s320/Basic_Priest_Priesthood_Ordain.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5349446392094793602" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-size:85%;" &gt;The origins of the Mormon Priesthood&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Continuing my series on the arr&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ival of the 1995 "Bedford Blessing" at Dereham Road Baptist Church.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;This series was written in 1997, but only now  has been released for general viewing&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Priesthood ! - A means, sometimes the means by which one can relate to God or by which blessing may come. Priesthoods are an ancient spiritual architecture, not one cast in stone or brick, but in the systems of relations between leaders and the lead. It is an architecture which exploits a rich complex of emotions and motif, and which has helped stabilise the relations between the shepherds and the sheep down untold ages. Mystique, gnosis, patriarchy, autocratic authority, spiritual inferiority, nervous expectancy, dependency, submission. These are some of the elements of the religious complex at whose heart is the underlying fear of the numinous and of the awe inspiring, holy, glorious and, without Christ, nameless God, from whose awful light the guilty seek safe refuge. In the stumbling, hesitant, and tense relations humanity naturally has with a holy God, any one able to confidently take up the dangerous task of interfacing with the divine is a boon, and attracts like a magnet the religiously insecure. Priesthoods in their various shapes and sizes, can be big business. But it is not all bad. Given the problems man has had relating to God, priesthoods have, in times past, been a legitimate and sometimes an only way to relate to God, and a means of blessing. They are, however, a way fraught with difficulty and the possibility of corruption. Human agency is always fraught with difficulty and the possibility of corruption as the Israelites discovered when Kings were anointed over them. But given the terrible state Israel had got itself into by the end of the Judges period it had little to lose. In fact they may not have even had a choice here: Given their moral and political condition, Israel ‘s desire to become a kingdom was less plan B than it was plan A, the fault being not so much in the plan itself but in the conditions which engendered it; it was the next logical step forward given their condition. They also experienced that peculiarly human dilemma of having to choose solutions to problems that themselves had problems. And so it is with human priesthoods. The general lesson is this: The givens of the human predicament are met with plans and covenants that, with varying degrees of effectiveness, treat the human condition, taking it forward from where it is; but given the sin of man, covenants employing human agency, whether of kings or of priests, are only a pattern and shadow of heavenly things, and therefore must decay and grow old and eventually pass away to be replaced by a covenant of divine agency; a perfect plan meeting  the imperfect precondition just where it is:&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “In those days .. I will put My law in their mind and write them in their hearts.... And they shall no more teach one another, saying know the Lord - for all shall know Me from the least of them to the greatest of them”.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-874050217484930634?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/06/bedford-blessing-part-2-priesthood.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Sj0NJqnOH4I/AAAAAAAAAv8/buP9d4TL6X8/s72-c/Basic_Priest_Priesthood_Ordain.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2457599383150028637</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-10T10:16:31.137-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;PENDING POSITION STATEMENT&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As a result of direct inquiries I intend to produce, at some stage, a position statement regarding my views  on Christianity. However,  I am currently absorbed with one two other matters that I am following up; hence this promissory note.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2457599383150028637?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/06/pending-position-statement-as-result-of.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-339475171582241102</guid><pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-06-07T16:02:30.887-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Siw8YCZTYiI/AAAAAAAAAus/ALcaMk3kHig/s1600-h/soul-cards-113.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 208px; height: 300px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Siw8YCZTYiI/AAAAAAAAAus/ALcaMk3kHig/s320/soul-cards-113.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5344713241439461922" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE BEDFORD BLESSING&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;PART 1: THE COMING OF A PRIESTHOOD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;In 1995 during a church family  weekend an attempt was made by a visiting group of Baptists from Bedford to introduce Dereham Road Baptist church to the Toronto Blessing. A couple of years later in 1997 I wrote three essays in response to this weekend entitled respectively “High Pulpits”, “High Priests”, and “The Bedford Blessing”. The first essay, which was an analysis of the pulpit-centric architecture of Dereham Baptist Church, was circulated in 2000. However, the other two essays which concerned the actual “Blessing” at Dereham Road remained in my private collection ..... until now. I intend releasing the contents of these two essays in parts.  Here is the first part.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;History can be ruthless. The 70 year quantum of human life ensures that no one person's experience is measured in centuries, and so experience is constantly being destroyed and remade and old themes return as if they are new discoveries.  In the sea of faith new spiritual life forms appear in response to changing spiritual environments and they are likely to have different attitudes to hi-pulpits and what they stand for. I saw one of these newer life forms one day in the early spring of AD 1995 when the Church on Dereham road had invited a Baptist minister from Bedford to speak for the day. This warm mannered bearded Bedford Baptist spoke intimately, if not profoundly on his theme, the "Father heart of God". He did not use the pulpit at any time during the day, but instead used the lectern at the side and below it, a position not unlike that of mediaeval times. At one point he indicated he would not be so presumptuous as to use the pulpit "up there", and his voice may have held a hint of contempt. Perhaps he knew that he needed nothing to stand on, because he stood for something else, for as the day developed a feeling grew on me, as it has done on other occasions, that I was seeing before my very eyes the formation and modern rediscovery of a spiritual ministry that recurs down the ages. Gone was the didactic logic and reason of the pulpit to be replaced by patriarchal expressions of feeling and warmth; one did not grapple with this stuff with the mind so much as with the emotions. In comparison to this “voice of the heart”, the sound of pulpit polemic would, to some, seem distant, and without the the ability to touch the inner most being. But the owner of that voice wasn't here primarily to talk, and a ministry of words was not what he was here to give; the purpose of his visit was to confer a blessing; a blessing that had its origins in a church in Toronto, Canada. The Baptist minister had recently visited this far flung church, and this visit no doubt made him better qualified to supervise the conferring of this blessing. Thus, in due time the assistants of the Baptist Minister moved amongst the congregation, praying over them for this strange blessing to come. It was as if they were custodians of some hidden spiritual power, holders of a mysterious gnosis that could not be imparted by expository logic, but only through their hands and upon those of sufficiently submissive and expectant attitude. I had seen it before; they were those kinds of believers who, apparently initiated into the inexpressible secrets of the Holy Spirit, are often sought out by those anxious for some deep experience of God, and those who fear divine disapproval if blessing is not claimed or taken. The ostensive qualities of the Bedford Baptist’s demeanour, their apparent agency to some mysterious blessing, the submissive, expectant, and dependent attitude required of those who were to receive the blessing were all things that were highly reminiscent. The members of religious cultures from the neolithic period to Salt Lake City would probably have been able to identify which class in their own communities this Bedford group most resembled and would have had little trouble finding a title for them: The Priesthood. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-339475171582241102?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/06/bedford-blessing-part-1-coming-of.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/Siw8YCZTYiI/AAAAAAAAAus/ALcaMk3kHig/s72-c/soul-cards-113.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-6305791009700764029</guid><pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-03-08T15:51:59.384-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;NCBC Guided Tour. Anglo Saxon Norwich&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Below are my tour guide notes for the Wensum valley walk from Norwich Central Baptist Church to the Cathedral and back. These notes are likely to be enhanced as new information comes to light.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;History: Looking back we see ourselves in perspective. We can see repeated themes and ask ourselves if our world view really works when seen in the context of a larger history. The enhanced experience sample provided by history can change the significance and meaning of our own smaller subset of experience.&lt;br /&gt;                                                       &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SYYlheef1HI/AAAAAAAAAj0/v-SkHaqhZcA/s1600-h/NCBC.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 264px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SYYlheef1HI/AAAAAAAAAj0/v-SkHaqhZcA/s320/NCBC.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5297963268694856818" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    This is a picture of  St Mary’s Baptist church (now NCBC) before it was destroyed by bombs in WWII&lt;br /&gt;•    Baptists came to this site in 1744, but built this structure under the popular and famous minister Joseph Kinghorn in 1811.&lt;br /&gt;•    Why does it have a classical Georgian facade? Why did the nonconformists  fail to find satisfaction in the protestant Church of England?&lt;br /&gt;•    Why did the Norwich Baptists emerge during the 1600s?&lt;br /&gt;•    Why are the 1600s are such is a pivotal century for non-conformity in England?&lt;br /&gt;•    Answers to these questions take us right back to Saxon times&lt;br /&gt;•    Saxon government was closer to a kind of protection racket model whereas the feudal/serf system introduced by the Normans was closer to a slave model. This gave rise to Saxon discontent.&lt;br /&gt;•    Saxon England never really took to the feudal system and the Normans themselves become saxonised in attitude.&lt;br /&gt;•     This may have helped create the conditions needed for religious dissent, the rise of parliament, and the industrial revolution and science – the seeds of the modern world.&lt;br /&gt;•    The NCBC tour around old Norwich takes us around the ancient  urban theatre that hosted the history behind these questions and issues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.trytel.com/%7Etristan/towns/norwmap1.html" target="_blank"&gt;SEE THIS LINK FOR A MAP OF ANGLO SAXON NORWICH&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    The tour takes us along the Wensum valley to the Saxon centre of Norwich, Tombland a name which means “Open Space” or “Empty Space”&lt;br /&gt;•    In Saxon days Tombland was the centre and market area of  Norwich&lt;br /&gt;•    The valley is densely pock marked with churches evidence that this part of the city is older than the higher parts of Norwich&lt;br /&gt;•     Major routes into the city still lead to Tombland: for example King street, Magdalen Street, St Benedict’s.&lt;br /&gt;•    Many of the street lines we will follow are Saxon.&lt;br /&gt;•    Notice that many street names in this area end in “gate . This ending is derived from the Danish word “Gade” which means “street” (“wick” or “vik” may also have Danish origins)&lt;br /&gt;•    The Normans (after 1066) moved the market place to the apron of the newly constructed castle.&lt;br /&gt;•    This castle dominated old Norwich in the valley: it was built to see and to be seen. These were the new men in charge.&lt;br /&gt;•    The current centre of Norwich (i.e. the castle area) was created by the Normans and not the Saxons&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Mary’s Plain&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;NCBC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Baptists first came to this site in 1744 (at the start of industrial revolution) under John Stearne.&lt;br /&gt;•    Expansion of the congregation under the popular and famous Joseph Kinghorn resulted in Kinghorn laying the foundation stone of a Georgian building in 1811. (see picture above)&lt;br /&gt;•    Where is his grave?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Mary’s Coslany Church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Anglo-Saxon style tower, possibly the oldest in Norwich and may be pre-conquest.&lt;br /&gt;•    Note V shaped heads of tower widows as opposed to Romanesque arches.&lt;br /&gt;•    About 400 years separates tower and nave. Latter built in perpendicular style with large windows.&lt;br /&gt;•    Cotman was baptised here.&lt;br /&gt;•    The church became very dilapidated in Edward times.  A newspaper correspondent described the church as being left to the mercy of “Stone throwing street urchins”. A sign that working class people had left the church in droves as a result of life style changes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Zoar Chapel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Strict and particular Baptists separated from General Baptists in the 1600s.&lt;br /&gt;•    They were strong Calvinists: They believed Christ’s saving work only for those elected to be saved.&lt;br /&gt;•    The General Baptists believed all men have the potential to be saved.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Baptist Union was formed from a merger of the Particular Baptists and General Baptists.&lt;br /&gt;•    Zoar chapel are the strict and particular Calvinist dissenters who maintained a closed communion.&lt;br /&gt;•    Zoar in Hebrew means "small" or "insignificance." Zoar was the town of Lot’s refuge as he escaped from Sodom and Gomorrah. (NCBC = Sodom?!!)&lt;br /&gt;•    It is a coincidence that they are next door to us? Research has not been able to uncover a link.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Roman Roads&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    A north-south Roman road from Ber Street or King Street ran along Oak Street.&lt;br /&gt;•    An east-west Roman road ran from the cathedral area and then along St Benedict street.&lt;br /&gt;•    The roads may have crossed at Charing cross (?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Muspole Street&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Possibly part of the Saxon street system&lt;br /&gt;•    “Muspool”. A pond used for drinking.&lt;br /&gt;•    Interestingly there is a very old water fountain at the Colgate end of the street.&lt;br /&gt;•    Another source claimed that Muspool derived from a pool of refuse!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Colgate East&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St. George’s Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Notice the ‘Basilica’ design: This was copied from the Roman forum design. Christians avoided the temple design with its association with idolatry.&lt;br /&gt;•    Nave built 1459, Chancel 1498, aisles 1505 (north), 1513 (south).&lt;br /&gt;•    Probably not the site of a Saxon church.&lt;br /&gt;•    This was the Renaissance period of perpendicular churches. They are called “perpendicular” because of the predominance of vertical lines and edges.&lt;br /&gt;•    Perpendicular churches were light and airy with big glass windows; perhaps a sign of increasing human technological confidence. In comparison Norman churches are dark and cave like.&lt;br /&gt;•    This church would have looked really up to date and modern in its time.&lt;br /&gt;•    These churches are evidence of the end of feudalism and the rise of a merchant class who helped subsidise them.&lt;br /&gt;•    It was these merchants who were to fall out with the monarchy and they found common cause with the non-conformists.&lt;br /&gt;•    Norwich was getting rich on the wool and textile trade and also confident.&lt;br /&gt;•    Perpendicular churches are the wool merchants churches. They are very prevalent in Norwich and have all but wiped out the early medieval designs. Their prevalence is a sign of a Norwich grown rich on the textile trade.&lt;br /&gt;•    John Crome worshipped here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Henry Bacon House&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;•    Houses in this area belonged to wealthy (textile) merchants.&lt;br /&gt;•    Henry Bacon, a Worsted merchant, built this house in Colegate in the 16th century. He was Mayor in 1557 and 1566.&lt;br /&gt;•    Quote: “As Sheriff in 1548-9 he entertained the Duke of Northumberland at the time of Kett’s Rebellion, putting the Duke’s emblem of a ragged staff above his door. The lintel of the front doorway has a merchant’s mark balanced by the arms of the Grocers’ Company and his mark also appears over a window to the left as well as high up near the south-west angle”.&lt;br /&gt;•    The merchant class rising to a place of power and influence in society is a recurring theme in the Wensum valley area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Norvic Shoe factory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    A Victorian building.&lt;br /&gt;•    In times past shoes would all have been made and bought locally.&lt;br /&gt;•    The factory system produced a local surplus. Hence trade became more global and distant economies became linked. This is where the profit makers have taken us: if one economy falls over, it can take all the others with it!&lt;br /&gt;•    It is not known why Norwich should become a shoe making centre.&lt;br /&gt;•    By 1830, however, the textile industry in Norwich had decayed, but not the shoe industry. This may be because textiles are power intensive whereas shoe making is labour intensive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Octagon chapel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Originally the site of a Chapel for the Black friars.&lt;br /&gt;•    Dr John Collinges, vicar of St Stephen’s dissented under Charles II in 17th century, and set up the chapel with his Presbyterian followers.&lt;br /&gt;•    This is our first location with a link to NCBC in that it has a common ancestor; namely the disaffection with the established Church of England under the subliminally catholic Stuart dynasty of the 1600s&lt;br /&gt;•    These Presbyterians built the Octagon in 1756. The architect was Thomas Ivory (architect of the assembly room and many alterations to Blickling hall)&lt;br /&gt;•    John Wesley visited in 1757 and admired it. First of its kind in England.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Martineaus worshipped here (An influential Huguenot protestants) .&lt;br /&gt;•    Presbyterianism is the Scottish version of Congregationalism with a preference toward national centralisation.&lt;br /&gt;•     The congregation here had become Unitarian by the early 19th century. Was this connected with the enlightenment?&lt;br /&gt;•    Notice the pattern here: dissenters worship in a private house first and then create a building fit for purpose as the congregation expands and becomes more established – we see this pattern today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Old Meeting House.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Built in 1693 after the toleration act. The roots of the congregation go much further back to the disaffected Congregationalists who first met in private halls and houses.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Baptists that eventually became NCBC came out of the Congregationalists.&lt;br /&gt;•    Notice the classical architecture: they were disaffected enough to want to get away from churchy gothic looking buildings. There is irony here: when the early church started building churches they took their model from the Roman secular basilica, the public forum. This was a reaction against the religious temple with its associations with idol worship. Later as the nonconformists integrated with the establishment they started building pseudo gothic churches – see for example Dereham Road Baptist Church.&lt;br /&gt;•    Men and women entered the building by different doors. “The arrangement is similar to that of the Unitarian chapel in Ipswich, which began life in almost exactly the same way and is from the same decade.” Congregationalists still meet here and the liberal Jewish community meet here.&lt;br /&gt;•    Note: Congregationalism in Norwich goes right back to 1580 when Robert Browne set up a congregation: its chief characteristic is that of a rejection of a centralised church government in favour of local government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Clement’s Church:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    St. Clement was the patron saint of sailors. Churches of this dedication are found near the crossing point of rivers.&lt;br /&gt;•     It is the site of a Saxon church.&lt;br /&gt;•    Largely a perpendicular church with some older parts suggesting it was one of many  perpendicular rebuilds. Some of its older parts can be seen; see for example the east end window which from the 1300s decorated period and also the corner stones on the west wall next to the tower showing that the nave was once narrower.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Fye Bridge Street&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Fye bridge&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Had a ducking stool that records say was actually used.&lt;br /&gt;•    This was one of the first bridges and started as a ford in Saxon times.&lt;br /&gt;•    Its vicinity to the important space of Tombland is evidence of the antiquity of the crossing.&lt;br /&gt;•     It isn’t true that ‘fye’ minds ‘five’, but it so happens that this is the fifth bridge to be built.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" &gt;Tombland&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Augustine Steward House:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Augustine Steward (1491-1571) was a common councillor, a sheriff and then later an MP for Norwich.&lt;br /&gt;•    During the time of the Kett’s rebellion in 1549, Steward was Deputy Mayor and the rebels ransacked his home but he managed to escape. Merchants tend to side with law and order because that is best for business.&lt;br /&gt;•    His merchant’s mark and the arms of Mercers Corporation can still be seen on the building.&lt;br /&gt;•    He was another textile money maker.&lt;br /&gt;•    Ultimately this merchant class clashed with Stuart King Charles I  in parliament over demands for money (Now, that really does upset the merchant class!). This lead to the civil war off 1642 which intimately impinges upon the history of NCBC.&lt;br /&gt;•     Inside the building the undercroft has blocked tunnels that lead to the cathedral across the road. The purpose of the tunnels is unknown. (Symbolically undermining King and High church?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Tombland Alley:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Follows the line of the east-west Roman road that crossed the north-south Roman road around Charring Cross (?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St George’s Tombland:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    This is where we pick up the story of NCBC again.&lt;br /&gt;•     The Rector of this church, Rev William Bridge (and also of St Peter Hungate) became disaffected with Stuart King Charles I  high church.&lt;br /&gt;•    He left for the Rotterdam in about 1635 and joined the English Chaplaincy in Holland where he had a freer rein.&lt;br /&gt;•     This Chaplaincy ministered to English merchants in the lowlands.&lt;br /&gt;•    Once again notice that the merchant wealth makers are figuring in the subversion of King and the established Church.&lt;br /&gt;•    Congregational dissent started to brew amongst the English Christians in the Netherlands.&lt;br /&gt;•    When the Congregationalists returned to England after the Civil War they asked sympathetic established church ministers to pastor them.&lt;br /&gt;•    The first was Rev Henry Amitage in 1647 who was associated with St Michael’s church in Coslany.&lt;br /&gt;•    The second was Rev Thomas Allen in1655 who was rector of this church (St. George’s) and St Peter Hungate.&lt;br /&gt;•    The early Congregationalists used this church for their services and a gallery (long since gone) was built for increased numbers, but they were thrown out after the restoration of the monarchy in 1660.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Cathedral Close&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Norwich School&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Originally a free school for poor boys set up by the Benedictine monks in about 1300&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Cathedral:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Notice the basilica design. Notice also the Roman “viaduct” look of tier upon tier.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Elm Hill:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A very dilapidated Elm Hill was up for demolition by the council in the 1920s but it was just saved by one vote by the newly formed Norwich Society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Simon and St Jude church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Goes at least as far back as the Normans. The chancel is from the 'decorated' period and is older than the perpendicular nave. Contains the famous monuments of Sir John Pettus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Pettus House&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Fifteenth Century Merchants house.&lt;br /&gt;•    Original diamond leaded lights on top floor. Has a Georgian shop front.&lt;br /&gt;•    Sir John Pettus was knighted by Elizabeth I.  Major of Norwich 1608.&lt;br /&gt;•    As Pettus got wealthier he moved to an estate at Rackheath. He was aping the aristocracy with their large estates.&lt;br /&gt;•    House owned by the Pastons at one point. The Pastons have their roots in the peasantry. Their rise to wealth was contested by noblemen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Strangers Club&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Started in 1927and intended to have a 50-50 mix of locals and foreigners&lt;br /&gt;•    It is now an elite club of professionals. The phenomenon of such clubs goes back to the Free Masons. Once again notice the mercantile connection.&lt;br /&gt;•    The house was owned by Augustine Steward who lived here around 1545.&lt;br /&gt;•     The club badge is adapted from Stewards coat of arms.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Club has entertained dignitaries such as Queen Mary, Princess Alexandra, the Lord Mayor of London, the Netherlands’, Belgian and Mexican Ambassadors, Lord Birkenhead, Lord Baden-Powell, Sir Henry Wood, Sir Alfred Munnings, writers, actors, politicians and overseas visitors to the City who are brought to see the Club Premises.&lt;br /&gt;•     Professional gentleman’s clubs were very important in the industrial revolution as the seed bed of new ideas and their dissemination.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Mason’s had their roots in the enlightenment and the notion of God as a rational architect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Britons Arms: The only building on Elm hill to survive the 1507 fire. Medieval doorway. Home to a group of religiously minded women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;St Andrews Area&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Andrews Hall&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;•    Built in the “Decorated” period: about mid 1300s.&lt;br /&gt;•    The most complete friary complex in the country.&lt;br /&gt;•    Friars lived to serve the community rather than live the detached lives of the monks. They were popular amongst the people. They depended on gifts of charity.&lt;br /&gt;•    They were established in the late 12th Century as a reaction to the wealth and power of the monks and monasteries, which is ironic because monks started out as religious ascetics.&lt;br /&gt;•    However they were not exempted from the dissolution.&lt;br /&gt;•    After the dissolution Augustine Steward sent a proposal the Henry VIII that the City buy the building from the Crown and this was accepted. This insured the buildings survived.&lt;br /&gt;•    Hence from 1540 the city took possession and the building has served as a church, a priory, school granary, workhouse, and mint. It contains the country’s largest selection of civic portraits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Anchoress/Anchorite cell:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    An ascetic of the Middle ages who lived for prayer and the Eucharist.&lt;br /&gt;•    They were bricked up permanently in cells against church walls and sealed by the Bishop in a special ceremony.&lt;br /&gt;•    A Squint hole enabled them to hear and receive communion.&lt;br /&gt;•    A hole facing the outside world enabled them to receive food and give advice and counsel.&lt;br /&gt;•    Maintenance of Anchorites may be provided by wealthy people: whilst the wealthy tried to make their name in this world the anchorite helped make sure their names were also heard in heaven.&lt;br /&gt;•    Julian of Norwich who lived in a cell off King Street is world famous for her teaching.&lt;br /&gt;•    Many anchorites and Anchoresses in Norwich.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Peter Hungate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    The second of Rev William Bridge’s churches; the rector who defected to the Rotterdam congregations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Cloisters, East Granary,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    By 1667 under Daniel Bradford the Baptists had split from the Congregationalists over the issue of child baptism. Bradford is the name of the first minister that appears on the NCBC history of ministers.&lt;br /&gt;•    In 1688 the catholic Stuart monarch James II was deposed. Sometime after this date the Baptists under their minster Henry Austine took the lease on what was originally the dormitory over the cloisters of the of the St. Andrews friary.&lt;br /&gt;•    However they left the East Granary circa 1720 for a house in Coslany. (There is a plaque on the Granary referring to the Baptist presence)&lt;br /&gt;•    These Baptists came out of a melting pot of religious dispute amongst non-conformist protestants.&lt;br /&gt;•    Congregationalists heart ached about the loss of the Baptists from their number: “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;….they have not only forsaken the churches for want of the ordinance of baptism, but also judged all churches no churches that were not of their mind or came not up to their practice”&lt;/span&gt; says a congregationalist source.&lt;br /&gt;•    There were other divisions amongst the Protestants: ‘Kingdom Now’ Anabaptist extremists even went as far as wanting to overthrown Cromwell’s puritan government in order to help usher in Christ’s rule with His saints.&lt;br /&gt;•    There were disputes between Baptists and Quaker “Charismatics”.  The latter suggested that the Baptists water baptism was on a par with St John’s baptism and inferior to Christ’s baptism with the Holy Ghost.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    The 17th century was a century of intellectual and political turmoil.&lt;br /&gt;•    It was a century that looked for the right balance between leaders and the people, between materialism and spirituality, between science and revelation.&lt;br /&gt;•    What should be at the centre of things? Earth or Sun? People or King? Mind or heart? God or man? Or most sinister of all: was there any centre at all?&lt;br /&gt;•    The Copernican revolution and what it means was by now well underway and is still ongoing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;St Georges Street&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Art College&lt;/span&gt;: Now “Norwich University College of the Arts”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Black Friars Bridge:&lt;/span&gt;  Not an original Saxon bridge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Colgate West&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Duke Street:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    So called because the Duke of Norfolk had a palace here in 1540.&lt;br /&gt;•     In former days it was probably only a small lane and Colgate was the main thoroughfare and had priority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;St Michael Coslany Church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    This church figures in NCBC history.  In 1647 Rev Armitage of this church was asked to pastor the Congregationalists after they returned from Rotterdam (This was before the  NCBC Baptists came out of the Congregationalists).&lt;br /&gt;•    When Armitage died in 1655 they moved to St George’s Tombland, and Rev Thomas Allen’s ministry&lt;br /&gt;•    St. Michael’s is obviously a perpendicular church. (That is, a church built on wool money)&lt;br /&gt;•    The fine flint flushwork has been likened to the inlaid ivory of cabinets.&lt;br /&gt;•    The flushwork on the south and east walls of the chancel is a late 19th Century copy.&lt;br /&gt;•    The south side is the most decorated face because this is the side that faced what used to be a busy street. Duke Street which cuts off this end of Colgate may only have been a small lane rather than the main thoroughfare it is today.&lt;br /&gt;•    St Michael’s is now the Inspire centre whose purpose is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;..to promote and encourage the discovery and enjoyment of science by all members of the community using hands-on exhibits and related activities."&lt;/span&gt;  Very appropriate. The merchants helped subsidize the perpendicular churches, and in the long run their search for profit promoted science as a side effect.&lt;br /&gt;•    The conflicts we have talked about resolved in favour of commercialism and  nonconformist religious freedom.&lt;br /&gt;•    Ultimately this commercialism lead to the industrial revolution and this revolution in turn helped to promote science.&lt;br /&gt;•     So at St Michael’s science has come home: Norwich’s glut of perpendicular churches was down to the wealth of the merchants and it was the merchants who ultimately (if a little inadventantly) laid the seed bed of non-conformity, parliament, and science&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Old Baptist Meeting House&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;•    This house was situated somewhere beyond the west end of St Michael’s.&lt;br /&gt;•    The Baptists moved here from the East Granary circa 1720.&lt;br /&gt;•    The house was extended at one point to accommodate increased numbers, but in 1744 they left for a house situated on the current site of NCBC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Rosemary Lane:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Before and after photo)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Thomas  Pykerell House&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;•    Built late fifteenth century by Thomas Pykerell.&lt;br /&gt;•    A mercer (textiles again!) who was Sheriff in 1513 and Mayor in 1525, 1533 and 1538. He died in 1545 and was buried on the north aisle of St Mary’s Church.&lt;br /&gt;•    Quote: In 1860 the building was an inn with the sign of the Recruiting Sergeant, and the yard at the rear was even then known as Pykerell’s Yard. It was later the Rosemary Tavern, but by the 1930s was being considered for demolition under a slum clearance scheme.&lt;br /&gt;•    One of the few thatched houses remaining within the city walls.&lt;br /&gt;•    It had the characteristic medieval hall layout of an entrance with a hall (then the living space of the house) on one side and private withdrawing rooms attached. On the other side of the entrance were three doorways into the pantry (for bread &amp;amp; associated foods), buttery (for meats and alcohol) and Kitchen (for food preparation).&lt;br /&gt;•     The site of the kitchen was probably that now occupied by the Zoar chapel.&lt;br /&gt;•    The spandrels over the arch would likely to have contained some sort of heraldry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/02/ncbc-guided-tour.html" target="_blank"&gt;Self Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-6305791009700764029?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2009/02/ncbc-guided-tour.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SYYlheef1HI/AAAAAAAAAj0/v-SkHaqhZcA/s72-c/NCBC.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>4</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-199489341959726847</guid><pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-12-22T07:07:50.556-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;SMITH VERSUS REEVES&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SU-q2yB8njI/AAAAAAAAAf4/NhKuXMnF6p0/s1600-h/hugo_weaving.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 211px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SU-q2yB8njI/AAAAAAAAAf4/NhKuXMnF6p0/s320/hugo_weaving.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5282628746048478770" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I am currently talking to an ‘anonymous’ contributor to Network Norwich (&lt;a href="http://www.networknorwich.co.uk/Forums/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=186980#new" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) who, for various reasons, I refer to as Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is a Christian dualist: that is, he sees the cosmic drama very much in terms of a superior spiritual world set over against the inferior world of matter. Mr. Smith attempts to resolve those notorious ghost/machine incompatibilities via the introduction of a third component that he identifies as the soul which acts as the medium between incommensurables.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is precisely this kind of dualist dichotomy, real or imagined, that I have been putting under the spotlight for a long while now. And for good reason too: so much human angst, so much existential heartache, so much religious alienation from the cosmic context, are bound up with man’s perception or misperception of his nature and place in the greater scheme things.  Atheism is inclined to the view that we are no more or less than a configuration of a small subset of the matter we find in abundance around us. There is a consequent anxiety, even paranoia, that because we therefore apparently occupy no special or sacred place in the cosmos then perhaps one day the material cosmos, either in the form of machines or natural calamity, will visit us with disaster. Moreover, unconscious matter, rather than sentience seems the dominant and even primary cosmic phenomenon. Deep space views delivered by the Hubble telescope show more of the same: just more and more starry whirlpools of insentient matter indifferent to human affairs. The huge star fields over our heads are surely more than a mere façade painted onto a canopy. Billions of galaxies and eons of prehistory, we instinctively sense, must have a noumenal existence, thus making our place in the greater scheme of things seem insignificant. We experience great pains and passions, but extreme materialism not only sees humanity as ultimately fading without trace but even denies the reality of those ephemeral pains and passions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a reaction against all this Dualism is a seductive philosophy. It seeks support in the intuition that the activity of matter is mechanical, absent of sentience and has an independent ontology very distinct from our self aware selves. Although this intuition is not shared by animistic societies it is a common perception of industrial societies who have exorcised the haunted environment and now view it purely instrumentally and mechanically. And so industrial societies are acutely aware of the dichotomies of mind and matter, will verses mechanism. Ironically religious dualism doesn’t question the materialist’s assumption that an independent gritty matter is a real ontology. Instead it sees matter as a potential upstart and rival to the sublime spiritual world. Religious dualism is humanities way of reaffirming the specialness and sacredness of humanity by attributing an extra spiritual ingredient, an extra zing that sets humanity apart from and above mere matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet dualism as a philosophy is by no means obvious: Idealism challenges it by suggesting that matter cannot exist without mind, and moreover that matter is a phenomenon of mind. Berkley’s idealism sees God’s Mind as the substrate ontology and matter as an ephemeral concept that floats for while inside that Great Mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-199489341959726847?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/12/smith-versus-reeves-i-am-currently.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SU-q2yB8njI/AAAAAAAAAf4/NhKuXMnF6p0/s72-c/hugo_weaving.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8348227232160987353</guid><pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-10-05T06:17:39.901-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;THE HUMAN PREDICAMENT.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252904092624361378" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SOYQcPASF6I/AAAAAAAAAWw/lBpCVli1n8I/s320/TomChapman.jpg" border="0" /&gt; &lt;p align="justify"&gt;In &lt;a href="http://www.networknorwich.co.uk/Articles/127315/Network_Norwich/News/Bloggers/View_behind_the.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; posted on the Christian Web site ‘Network Norwich’, the minister of Surrey Chapel, Tom Chapman (seen above with his wife), describes his struggle with a serious brain tumor. After quoting Isaiah 43:2 (“when you pass through the waters I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers they will not sweep over you.”) he goes on to say:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;This is not, I think, a guarantee that we will always be aware of him holding our hand. That was not my experience, and don’t think it is the Bible’s promise. The point is not that we will never &lt;strong&gt;feel &lt;/strong&gt;alone, but that we will never &lt;strong&gt;be&lt;/strong&gt; alone. Cue “Footsteps in the sand.” Of course, if this promise never touched our emotions in any detectable way, we might reasonably start to doubt its reality – experience matters. But we must never reduce what is true to what feels true. And so I got wet, but didn’t drown.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We see here an age old theme, namely the interplay between feeling and knowing, between sensing and believing, between perceiving something and thinking something. Specifically we find, in this case, feeling, sensing, and perceiving the presence of God being contrasted with knowing, believing, and thinking God to be present.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I have written elsewhere: &lt;em&gt;“Ideas Versus Experience!” is a slogan expressing the uneasy relation between what we think the world to be and what our actual experience suggests it is. Experience makes or breaks ideas.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So much of our thought turns on this dichotomy. So much of thinking life is taken up with the attempt to make sense of a world for which our immediate perceptions only ever provide a small sample. The struggle to join the dots of our experience into the wider understanding of a theoretical framework is a ubiquitous activity. The struggle is particularly poignant if a theoretical framework tells us that in spite of the immediacy of troubling experiences, things will turn out to the good in the end.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But although the dialectic between experience and theory is part and parcel of the human predicament there is often a great yearning to short cut this sometimes-tedious process. In particular, the devout have a tendency to be seduced by the promise of a direct connection with the Divine through sublime mystical experience. They are therefore more likely to be susceptible to the instinctual and inscrutable prepackaged conclusions of the intuitive 'right side of the brain' than to the analytical ‘left side of the brain'*. In this context there is a spiritual premium on sublime emotional contact with the divine; anything less is considered to be spiritually inferior.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Large swathes of evangelical Christianity are in denial about the fact that all of us see the cosmos through theoretical frameworks. They hate the taint of the theoretical; They despise so-called doctrine and ‘head knowledge’; They affect to have a direct communion with God via gnostic connections and frequently express fideist sentiments; Viz:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you always process salvation through your mind you will never enter the fuller things in your walk. You must move from a place of cognitive reasoning ability to a place where faith and belief flows through your spirit and not your head … God is beyond your logic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.... they don’t want a faith contaminated by the analytical mind; they affect to have a rustic faith where ‘just knowing’ is all there is to it; a plain and simple faith uncomplicated by whys and wherefores. But the view I have quoted above is inconsistent as it is itself an expression of a theoretical position, albeit an incoherent one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The struggle that Tom Chapman relates is very candid, very true to life, and above all, very moving. Sometimes it seems that Christians who find themselves in the valley of the shadow of death have to be almost apologetic about not being on the mount of transfiguration. It is a perverse gnostic logic that estimates high spirituality to be measured by transfiguration experiences; accordingly those who are not exactly on the mount of transfiguration confound a popular spiritual paradigm and thus are to be applauded for having the courage to own up to the actual reality of their spiritual life. True spiritual values are, in fact, the very opposite of gnostic values. Those who traverse those dark valleys where hills hem them in, where they cannot see the horizon, where immediate experiences seem at odds with their grasp of the big picture, are facing a spiritual test that few of us wish to face. In that test, knowledge, theory, and analysis, objects so despised by today's touchy-feeley spiritual paradigm, provide the vistas onto a wider perspective that feeds hope and faith.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;My prayers and hopes are with Tom Chapman and his family. I applaud his intellectual integrity as he drinks from the cup chosen for him. We all dread this cup and feel relieved that it hasn’t (yet) been served us; but there is no good reason why one day it might not come our way and who knows we may fail at the test; one works out one’s faith in fear and trembling. Tom Chapman’s integrity is to be cherished in the face of an evangelicalism that is so often inclined to compromise its authenticity by affecting to glory in the act of sacrificing intellectual integrity to the murky waters of fideism. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Footnote&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;* The intuitive right side vs the analytical left side is an over simplification of brain operation, but it serves as an approximation and metaphor in this context.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8348227232160987353?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/10/human-predicament.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SOYQcPASF6I/AAAAAAAAAWw/lBpCVli1n8I/s72-c/TomChapman.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8448784965967203887</guid><pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-09-16T10:46:26.409-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DIFFERENT PLANETS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5245909047135218450" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SM02e_6AqxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/Sa9UleqFrOg/s320/RedDwarf.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The NCBC web forum has recently been removed – hopefully archived and &lt;em&gt;then &lt;/em&gt;removed. The active life of the forum ran from late summer 2006 to about the end of 2007. During its 18 month life the forum accumulated many postings and even hosted discussions with gravitas and significance. But apart from myself there have been few postings since the beginning of 2008 and perhaps it has become an embarrassment that too many of the discussion threads were terminated with latest comments by yours truly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After first notification of its impending doom, I suggested that the old forum at least remain available as an archive, perhaps with the possibility of adding further content should the need arise. This request, as expected, wasn’t granted and so I took the precaution of archiving some of the material that interested me. I may reproduce some of this material on this blog in order to reestablish its much-deserved WWW exposure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In theory NCBC web activity has moved on to its facebook pages. But looking at these pages, and especially the related facebook group, there has only been a trickle of light and innocuous activity during 2007, and very activity little since the beginning of 2008. Compared to the first year of the forum NCBC facebook looks as though it has been struggling from day one. Other than some light chat and occasional news items NCBC facebook, in spite of its 70+ members, may be suffering in part from novelty and subject exhaustion as a consequence of sustaining the forum for over a year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet there is evidence on NCBC face book of a casting about for something and a sense of where to next? The discussion board kicks off in April 07 with someone pointedly asking, “Why do people join groups but not contribute anything?” and in March 07 someone else asks “What do you think I should talk about to appear interesting?” There is also a hint of that sense of brooding and of marking time before a much hoped for revival of religious fortunes or ‘shake up’ as someone puts it - often associated nowadays with Gnostic revival and ‘swoon for Jesus’ worship; a common reaction in these days of depressed spiritual malaise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won’t disturb the NCBC facebookers discussing what they are going to discuss or any prerevival blues. In any case my work is cut out engaging some of the issues raised on this and other blogs: e.g. the Wensum valley churches, the feminisation of church, the questions raised by recent revivalists, the Open Gospel, the ID/evolution debate, the polarisation of analytical knowledge and gnostic knowledge etc etc. These subjects appear not to register on NCBC radar at all and that is probably down to different priorities, different perspectives, different problems, different personalities, different planets!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Stop press:&lt;/strong&gt; The old forum is still available on this URL (but for how long?)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.norwichcentral.org/discuss/Blah.pl"&gt;&lt;em&gt;http://www.norwichcentral.org/discuss/Blah.pl&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;However, there seems to be no link from the NCBC web site.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8448784965967203887?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/09/different-planets-ncbc-web-forum-has.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SM02e_6AqxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/Sa9UleqFrOg/s72-c/RedDwarf.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8313759501797230776</guid><pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-08-24T13:41:00.103-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;YOU CAN COUNT ON IT&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tonight in the evening service, still with are eye on the male:female ratio and the &lt;a href="http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/02/four-to-six-mix-again-christianity.html" target="_blank"&gt;feminisation of church&lt;/a&gt;, I did a quick count. This returned 30 males against 36 females, which reduces to a five to six mix. This, I suppose, is not far from the four to six mix I was averaging a few months back. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8313759501797230776?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/08/you-can-count-on-it-tonight-in-evening.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8390648222382885649</guid><pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-06-23T13:38:07.451-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;strong&gt;THE RIGHT PITCH&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5215091563282564658" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SF-6JWSYBjI/AAAAAAAAAQw/ijEXR4tfmGo/s320/Football.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The Sunday evening service was billed as a “Special Football Service”. I’m not the least interested in football and I went expecting to be bored to death by it all, although I would certainly want to concede that churches need to connect with a wide range of personalities, temperaments and interests and so I was prepared to stick it out. However, the whole service not only proved to be very well put together, but even interesting to someone like myself. It included a wide range of fascinating material; from the history of the Norwich Churches league, through the origins that some premier league clubs have in church teams, to the testimonies of Christian footballers. I was reminded somewhat of the old boys brigade where young lives were introduced to discipline, team spirit, and service, against a military looking backdrop. The ethos of today is unlikely to bear something like that, and so football may usefully have supplanted it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excellent, well done, I thought. However, that the service was clearly constructed with imagination and lots of hard work puts the contemporary dualist spiritual paradigm on the spot. That paradigm contrasts God’s work – which it tends to only perceive in acts of special dispensation – against ‘natural’ or profane agencies like man. The kind of shipwreck analyses that the dualist paradigm is inclined toward can be seen when it insists that creation was an act of special dispensation about 6000 years ago. In its most extreme form the perspective of the dualist mindset is inclined to perceive something like the NCBC Football Service, which ostensively taps into general dispensational resources, as purely a product of human effort and therefore lacking in spiritual power. The extreme dualist has difficulty registering the presence of God’s work unless it is in the form of ‘supernatural interventions’ and these are so often identified with bizarre religious practices that dehumanize and eclipse personality in favour of ‘blessing fodder’ events.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the dualist mind activities involving creativity, skill, and interest are likely to be perceived as profane, even Godless activities. Utterly lacking in self-awareness the extreme dualist exempts his own mindset from self analysis, and is therefore unable to identify his perspective as a very facetiously human feature. He cannot see his mindset, but instead sees through it. Therefore that mindset never comes up for review and criticism. Unaware of his all too human perspective he sees himself as through and through a sublime spiritual being, a cut above the skills based Christian.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8390648222382885649?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/06/right-pitch-sunday-evening-service-was.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SF-6JWSYBjI/AAAAAAAAAQw/ijEXR4tfmGo/s72-c/Football.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2231857223058692784</guid><pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:18:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-05-08T02:33:24.525-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SCGQOo9JndI/AAAAAAAAAPA/WDmOoGBnIvg/s1600-h/blessing.bmp"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5197594026148732370" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SCGQOo9JndI/AAAAAAAAAPA/WDmOoGBnIvg/s320/blessing.bmp" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;SPIRITUAL BULLYING&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sermon started well: It was about that nasty third generation Herod, Herod Agrippa I who beheaded James (brother of John). Realizing that moves against the early church curried favour with the Jewish leaders Agrippa went onto imprison Saint Peter. In the New Testament Agrippa is portrayed as the archetypical sinner, the sort of person who puts the ‘I’ in the middle of the word sin. He aggrandized himself with rich clothing and won his position with the Romans and Jews with flattering words and sycophancy. Sometimes it was very difficult to tell if he genuinely cared or whether it was just a ploy to further his own interests and position. Agrippa, it seems, was the kind of person who is so self centered that when they shut their eyes they believe everyone goes away; in effect a solipsism of the worse type. He was utterly superficial, a mere façade motivated by the golden sin: egotism. Agrippa had acquiescenced completely to his egotistical temptations and lived the kind of self seeking life that is the antithesis of true Christianity. Excellent, I thought: this is what our spiritual battles are all about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the Preacher went onto tell us that Peter had been imprisoned and shackled by his culture …. wait a minute surely not Peter’s culture, because presumably Peter had rejected the profound shallowness of the Agrippas of this world? But OK then, fair enough, we can accept that Peter was effectively a victim of a hedonistic culture. So, the preacher deduced, “We must repent of our culture”. Hhmm…, this is getting ambiguous, I thought: humans can’t operate in a cultural vacuum: we are all destined to express ourselves via the medium of some culture or other, hopefully a culture with moral fibre. Just what sort of culture was the preacher thinking we should repent of? To illustrate he went on to relate an anecdote about a Christian friend who far from home one Sunday happened to stumble into a church and who knows it could have been anything from a strict brethren assembly to a church of the snake handlers. However, ‘stumble’, it seems, was the name of the game because at one point in the service, at the cue of the speaker, the entire congregation fell to the floor except our preacher’s Christian friend who decided that he must repent of his culture in order to receive the sublime states of heart and soul associated with the ‘carpet blessing’. So, the take home lesson for us that day was that we should repent of our culture and, who knows, we might then be able receive the carpet blessing. And if we had any doubt about just how bad our culture is, a culture that may be resisting this sort of blessing, there was the illustration of Agrippa’s hedonistic world for comparison!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This sermon was typical of its class and I have seen it time and again amongst evangelicals: in an attempt to foist the idiosyncrasies of one expression of Christainity upon other Christains, a strong hint is dropped as to how sinful they must be if they don’t embrace these bizarre foibles. And what authority is offered to back up these quite extreme demands? None accept opinion, cronyism and vague references to an intuitive sensing of what 'God wants' or what 'God is doing'. It was classic spiritual intimidation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2231857223058692784?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/05/spiritual-bullying-sermon-started-well.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SCGQOo9JndI/AAAAAAAAAPA/WDmOoGBnIvg/s72-c/blessing.bmp' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-3104316239959257118</guid><pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-04-25T13:56:36.935-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SBHFawL2hFI/AAAAAAAAAOk/M0vgBvq0Tyc/s1600-h/drag.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5193148908736775250" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SBHFawL2hFI/AAAAAAAAAOk/M0vgBvq0Tyc/s320/drag.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;CHURCH IS A DRAG&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The May edition of 'Christianity' Magazine has two articles on the issue that I have repeatedly raised in this blog: That of a church culture skewed toward the feminine. A point that neither article seems to grasp is that the masculine-feminine ‘spectrum’ is an abstraction defined by the clusters of traits that have varying probabilities of being associated with the more clear cut phenomenon of genetic typing. For example, physical strength is more likely (but NOT necessarily) to be found amongst males than females. Once this abstract male-female space is set up, actual genetic males and females may find themselves at different points in that space.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given this concept of the male-female space, the fact is that churches are a niche subculture that is biased toward the feminine cluster of traits in that space. Males who demonstrate a more feminine mindset are in turn more likely to find themselves in line with church values than those with obviously extreme masculine traits. But there is one exception; the Male ‘Leadership’ patriarch is often welcomed with open arms, and finds a place in an subculture that frequently favours submissive behaviour and a dumbing down of an analytic mindset, whether that mindset belongs to a genetic male or a genetic female. See the restorationists for fine examples of patriarchy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both articles in 'Christianity' were written by females. One of the articles ends ironically with what to me is actually a call for the church to become even more feminine in its slant! That is, according to the article writer we should get out of the comfort zone of our safe and highly focused stereo typical roles, connect to the holy mystery of God and the mysteries of the gender gap, generally be more outgoing, relate to one another and learn from one another! Next time I go to church I think I’ll dress up in drag and act in a less focused and more scatter brained way; I might fit in better.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-3104316239959257118?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/04/church-is-drag-may-edition-of.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/SBHFawL2hFI/AAAAAAAAAOk/M0vgBvq0Tyc/s72-c/drag.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-4618986694653686898</guid><pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-03-12T08:02:41.357-07:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DROPPING ANCHOR AT NCBC?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Last Sunday evening, during the NCBC service, we were presented with a logo of an anchor captioned with “You are my anchor, my light and my salvation”. This brought back memories of a piece I wrote 1995 that reflected on the styles of past and present Christianity. Of the past I wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;In those days they knew Christianity was good for you because they knew it to be true, and a good Christian was like the pews; strong, silent, resilient, steadfast and anchored - steadfast and anchored? Where have I heard that before?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;“Steadfast and anchored” was in fact the caption under the anchor logo of the outgoing boys brigade. I say ‘out going’ because the boys brigade was soon to be defunct and the youth worker of the day was concentrating his efforts on a young persons group he had set up called “Power pack”. The logo of this newer group was a battery being struck from above by a bolt of lightning. With this in mind, in the same article I wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;These are the days when they know that Christianity is true because it is good for you and a good Christian is rather noisy and a bit of a power pack - power pack? Where have I heard that before? .... the newer tradition (often associated with charismatic churches) has a tendency to stress a kind of "intravenous injection” of God's blessing in the form of feelings, sensings, touchings, movings, reveries, ecstasies, and occasional bolts out of the blue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The demise of the well and truly anchored boys brigade in favor of a group called “power pack” was symbolic of the day. In 95, and the three decades proceeding it, God was about “moving on”, God was about doing a “new thing”, God was about being zapped with power from above, God was about experiencing “more God, more…”, God was about the moving goals posts of God’s latest intimate “touch”. All this somehow seemed to find consummation in the Toronto blessing of 94 and the failed “Diana prophecy” of 1997. Today, however, that’s all forgotten water under the bridge. So perhaps we are getting anchored again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes Christains seem so unconscious of the meta-narrative.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-4618986694653686898?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/03/dropping-anchor-at-ncbc-last-sunday.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-9010911656551548043</guid><pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-02-24T05:48:21.212-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R77oR3KhL5I/AAAAAAAAAM8/My22VEhceDU/s1600-h/walter.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5169824815831396242" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R77oR3KhL5I/AAAAAAAAAM8/My22VEhceDU/s320/walter.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;THE FOUR TO SIX MIX: AGAIN&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;‘Christianity’ magazine has run two articles (see February and March) on the disparity in the ratio of males to females in churches. Here are my comments, as promised. As I have been aware of this issue for some years (and have written about it) I’m rather disturbed that only now have I found an article airing the matter. Anyway that’s an important start – my own church remains utterly unaware of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The two articles cover an interview with Carl Beech Chief executive of Christian Vision for men. I’ve got to hand it to him, Beech does seem to know how to connect to men, although his take on masculinising the church is  to give occasion to the issue driven laddish sporting bravado that many men enjoy and engage in. If Beech’s succeeds here then he would have done the church a service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my case the way of being a male is slightly different. I have never been one for the laddish culture, as I approximate closer to that male preserve of the quasi-autistic loner who focuses relentlessly on single goals - stereotypically represented in the media by the likes of ‘The hit man’, ‘the terminator’, the lone hobbyist or geek etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in common with the lads it isn’t just a case of me feeling that church just isn’t getting through; in actual fact it’s more a case of that church being proactively against the masculine model and its various manifestations. In modern evangelicalism conversion is all about a personality change that seeks denial of one’s masculine traits in favor of an intuitive reverie so aptly summed up by the phrase ‘The Heart Knowledge Christian’. What church wants, as Beech puts it so well, is chatty friendly ‘small talkers’, effeminacy, wimpishness, a passive submissive imbibing of homiletic monologues on Sunday, indifference to technical gadgetary, and drivers of cutsie feminine cars instead of real manly cars. As far as masculine pursuits are concerned, Beech says that the signal from the church is ‘Stop it because it’s all really sinful’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the state of worship in church with its male alienating ‘Swoon for Jesus love ins’ Beech seems to understand this as well: “Our terminology is that Jesus is our lover – press yourselves into his arms and let him embrace you”. Beech goes onto to say: “I’m very grateful for the charismatic movement, but I think we need to recast the terminology. Some of the songs which emerged in the 90s were very cathartic.” It was a lot worse than that Carl: the mid nineties was the heyday of the Toronto Blessing when, if you didn't want to be accused of resisting the Spirit, you emulated those 'in the Spirit' and got down on all fours and barked!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not news really, but having identified the problem what do we do next? In some ways the loner like myself is much better placed than the lads; I can simply ignore all these soppy goings on and pursue my own projects. But what does jack the lad do when he can find no social outlet for his laddishness? He says: "Fuhgeddaaboutit!"&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-9010911656551548043?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/02/four-to-six-mix-again-christianity.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R77oR3KhL5I/AAAAAAAAAM8/My22VEhceDU/s72-c/walter.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-7624291552977646010</guid><pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-02-11T11:20:43.503-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BOOTIFUL&lt;br /&gt;Views News and Pews scoops another NCBC story!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5165717654570348322" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R7BQ1nKhLyI/AAAAAAAAAME/V84OGRe_Inc/s320/sizewellufo.jpg" border="0" /&gt; Whilst photographing this idyllic scene at the church weekend at Sizewell Hall I happened to catch a UFO in the frame – an Unidentified Floating Object - and here it is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5165714673863044866" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R7BOIHKhLwI/AAAAAAAAAL0/5H7G3zXZJOo/s320/boot.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;A gumboot floating on its own raft? What’s more it’s not an ordinary gumboot; it is elaborately encrusted with colourful hearts. What’s the story behind this high status gumboot afloat on Sizewell hall’s lake?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, this boot was floated by none other than the good Rev Mark Tall. The Lord clearly guided the Views News and Pews reporter to be in the right place at the right time to witness the launching so that VNP could bring it to you first - although Mark may have a different view on that. When I caught the Reverend gentleman in the act of preparing this unusual spectacle and snapping it with his camera phone I thought, Ahh haa! Another snappy sermon illustration coming up! After all, Mark is a dab hand at starting his sermons with punchy and relevant homiletic illustrations, and this exhibit was clearly going to be used by him to illustrate what a miracle it is to walk on water; If it takes all of man’s ingenuity – no, make that all of Mark’s ingenuity - to come up with this ruse of a single boot standing on water without anyone actually wearing and walking (or hopping) with it at the same time - think how great was The Master’s feat in comparison!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But no, this wasn’t the idea at all – This was the follow up to &lt;a href="http://www.norwichcentral.org/pastor_blog/?p=31" target="_blank"&gt;Mark’s blog&lt;/a&gt; entitled 'Polishing thy neighbour’s shoes'. Mark now goes one better – he treats his neighour’s footwear not just to a clean, but also to a scenic pleasure cruise on Sizewell Hall’s picturesque lake, proving that he is as good as his word. But in creating an illustrative message that effectively alludes to walking on water as well, in one fell swoop of homiletic genius Mark has come up with a three-in-one illustration that combines the lessons of his &lt;a href="http://www.norwichcentral.org/pastor_blog/?p=30" target="_blank"&gt;alliterative blog on Words, Works and Wonders.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About the poor saintly lady who owns the boot you needn’t worry one little bit, because she was recently voted on as one of the church elders. She’s going places spiritually and doesn’t need gumboots anymore – as you can see from the picture below she’s so holy, ethereal and angelic looking, that she really does walk on water.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5165727442800815954" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R7BZvXKhL1I/AAAAAAAAAMc/OC5_-aiSn_4/s320/saintJo.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A spiritually up and coming Holy Jo holds council as eager listeners gather round at Sizewell Hall’s high table - Notice discarded, clapped out (and a whole lot less better looking) saints in the background. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;VNP at NCBC&lt;/strong&gt;: Telling it like it is. Remember, you first heard it in VNP!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-7624291552977646010?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/02/bootiful-views-news-and-pews-scoops.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R7BQ1nKhLyI/AAAAAAAAAME/V84OGRe_Inc/s72-c/sizewellufo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-5890316158075112267</guid><pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-01-21T02:47:15.851-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CHARIOTS OF FIRE &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R5PZ3kQB4kI/AAAAAAAAALM/syO9gY9oqzQ/s1600-h/vapour_trails.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5157705546916291138" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R5PZ3kQB4kI/AAAAAAAAALM/syO9gY9oqzQ/s320/vapour_trails.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;One of those ironic juxtapositions pregnant with subliminal meaning occurred in church tonight. A song written by Jeremy Camp called ‘Beautiful one’ was projected on the screen from ‘SongPro’. The second verse reads: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Powerful so powerful Your glory fills the skies.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Your mighty works displayed for all to see&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The beauty of your majesty&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Awakes my heart to see &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;How marvelous how wonderful you are&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;SongPro often projects its songs with a scenic backdrop. In this case the backdrop was a cloudy skyscape – rather appropriate one might think given the above verse, except for one glaring feature; the clouds were those linear formations generated by jet aircraft! Man’s most advanced application of the discovery of fire, the jet aircraft, Promethean in its vision, scores the sky from horizon to horizon, and the yet song declares: ‘Your glory fills the skies’! This breath taking paradox turned out to be a picture and anticipator signalling the need to proceed with caution with what followed; a sermon embodying the great 'genesis paradox' one so often finds in modern evangelicalism. For some Christians Exodus 20:11 (and the like) have a meaning that is as clear as a blue sky, and yet the Promethean project of science blazes its trail across those meanings. For some the paradox has become a chronic contradiction: How could a creator have created such a proactive world, a world so proactive that if it were not for self referencing problems it would seem to be logically self contained? One easy solution, of course, is to simply ignore those vapor trails and their meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R5PZs0QB4jI/AAAAAAAAALE/vEbuwUolKpk/s1600-h/70518120859631.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5157705362232697394" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R5PZs0QB4jI/AAAAAAAAALE/vEbuwUolKpk/s320/70518120859631.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;An aircraft emerges from the 'Big Bang'! &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-5890316158075112267?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/01/chariots-of-gods-one-of-those-ironic.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R5PZ3kQB4kI/AAAAAAAAALM/syO9gY9oqzQ/s72-c/vapour_trails.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-8855641659822359349</guid><pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-01-16T10:09:05.535-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;THE FEMINISED CHURCH&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The February edition of 'Christianity' magazine carries the first part of a feature article billed on the front as "No man's land: How gender imbalance has feminised the church". Have they only just noticed this? Moreover, hasn't it occurred to them that it may be a &lt;em&gt;coupled&lt;/em&gt; effect: that is, gender imbalance has caused feminisation AND feminisation has caused gender imbalance. I'll do a longer blog on the subject after the second part of the article is published in March.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-8855641659822359349?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/01/feminised-church-february-edition-of.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-2559775542314176476</guid><pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-01-07T13:45:32.570-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;GODHEAD AND BLOCKHEADS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In yesterday evening’s sermon an allusion was made to Augustine of Hippo’s “heresy”. Yes, it was heresy as Augustine fell into that well-worn trap which, starting with attempts to resolve the problem suffering and evil, leads to an attempt to disconnect from this world by an escape into the confused religious complex of dualism and gnosticism (specifically Manicheaism in this case). This often has ramifications for the views held on the nature of the Godhead. However, I write ‘heresy’ as “heresy” as I much prefer to be lenient about the foibles and blind allies that Christains often traverse – although, needless to say, leniency is seldom reciprocated by these highly religionised Christains who earnestly indentify satanic infiltration with contradiction of their opinions. They are all too ready to accuse fellow Christians of ‘letting in Satan’! (Yes we’ve had it at NCBC too!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was reminded of an article in Reachout’s 85th newsletter entitled “Heresies, Ancient and Modern”. The newsletter listed and described the following “heresies”: Aphthartodocetism Monophysitism, Apollinarainism, Alogi, Arianism, Docetism, Ebionite, Encratite, Eutychianism, Gnosticism (Proper), Marcionism, Monarchianism, Monophysitism, Monothelitism, Monotanism, Nestorianism, Origen’s ‘heresy’, Pelagianism, and Sabellianism. Nearly all of these ‘heresies’ fall over on one or more issues connected with legalism, gnosticism, and most often, the nature of the Godhead. Reachout are good at collecting, compiling and tabulating the facts (at least I hope they are), but are not so adept at evaluating the real meaning of what is in their hands; they make no mention of the common themes running through these 'heresies'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Attempts to define the nature of the Godhead are notoriously difficult and I personally have no issue with those who theorize, even wrongly about the Godhead on the proviso that these attempts are tempered by tentativeness, perspective humility and a studied detachment. After all, theorizing attempts to join the dots, and like all theorizing, theologies may not succeed in joining all the dots and the true nature of the Godhead may be a misrepresented. However, that’s no problem if humility of perspective, tentativeness and a studied detachment are the frame of mind in which the theorizing proceeds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perspective humility? Tentativeness? Studied detachment? One may as well run after the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as expect such values to be held in fundamentalist circles. These are the very things that redneck religionists eschew and interpret as the antithesis of faith, revelation and commitment. But the irony is that this is where the real heresy starts, for those who arrive at, say, a Gnostic view of God, are likely to do so as a side effect of the search for an exclusive club of the spiritual elite and will claim other Christains to be all but beyond the pale of grace. They will then proceed with threats of Divine displeasure or even damnation toward those who don’t follow their line or fail to join them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-2559775542314176476?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2008/01/godhead-and-blockheads-in-yesterday.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-4025204159176450937</guid><pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2007-12-12T02:18:59.623-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;strong&gt;HAVING SEX WITH GOD&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5139525874279927698" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R1NDjWJiT5I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/ZVFcTiOo3BY/s320/baroque-st-teresa.jpg" border="0" /&gt;Sometimes life delivers unreservedly classic film set scenarios and clichés. For example, an owl hooting just as I arrive on a dark starry night at the door of the Old ‘Haunted’ Castle where I work. Or the red cloud streaked sunset of December behind the Castle's East Wing as a gentle warm yellow glow filters out through leaded lights – so Kincaid that if it wasn’t real it would be considered naively kitsch. Well, today at church I had one of those unreal moments, too perfect, too stereotypical, and so textbook and clichéd that you’d think I had invented it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shortly after I walked late into the foyer on security duty the congregation struck up with one of my favourite carols ‘O Come Emmanuel’. This carol is packed with allusions and imagery taken from the texts of Old Testament history: ‘Ransom captive Israel’, ‘Lonely exile’, ‘Thou rod of Jesse’, ‘Thine advent’, ‘Key of David’, ‘Sinai’s height’, ‘In ancient times did’st give the Law’. As I listened I wondered how many of the congregation connected with a language that to be understood requires a modicum of OT scholarship. After all, this was the church where I had heard on more than one occasion a negative response to having ‘Yet another Bible study’. Anyway, as I had barely finished mulling all this over the next song started, and it turned out to be a quantum leap from the ridiculous to the sublime – no, make that ‘from the sublime to the ridiculous’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The mind often filters, generalises and then forgets the data on which its generalisation have been made, and one is then left in doubt about the validity of the mind’s abstractions because the original protocols aren’t there to check against. Thus, my generalisation that parts of the contemporary church has abandoned erudition (whether Biblical scholarship or science) in favour of the much exalted and sought after ‘there and now’ quasi-sensual God experience or ‘God orgasm’ has sometimes felt a little off the wall. But as this new song struck up I felt vindicated. As if to emphasise the polarity of scholarship versus the ‘God orgasm’, starkly contrasting against the obscure Old Testament lyrics of ‘O come Emmanuel’ still sounding in my mind, steamy allusions to the ‘God experience’ now assaulted my ears: ‘Fill us’, ‘Passion!’, ‘Breathe within’, ‘abandoned to you’ ‘Lord have your way with us’, ‘God fall on us’ ‘More than this!’ all packed into a single song. (Note: More! More! Is an ecstatic cry one hears in some churches – I wonder if one also sometimes hears Yes! Yes! Yes!…?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;In spite of all the pretensions of prophetic insight that Charismatic Christianity has brought to churches nowadays, those churches seem so utterly unconscious of themselves! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;So there you go, yet another minor adventure so pregnant with freudian meaning and insight that I'm sure I'm dreaming! &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/35189934-4025204159176450937?l=norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://norwichcentralbaptistchurch.blogspot.com/2007/12/having-sex-with-god-sometimes-life.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Timothy V Reeves)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/R1NDjWJiT5I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/ZVFcTiOo3BY/s72-c/baroque-st-teresa.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item></channel></rss>