tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post6305791009700764029..comments2017-07-12T08:51:59.240-07:00Comments on Norwich Churches and Belief Communities: NCBC Guided Tour. Anglo Saxon NorwichTimothy V Reeveshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03913020911593893925noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-43946014736944858152012-10-19T09:33:15.861-07:002012-10-19T09:33:15.861-07:00Thanks very much for the info Highland Host. These...Thanks very much for the info Highland Host. These notes are in much need of an update as my knowledge has moved on! Yes I think you are right about the coincidental location of Zoar. In fact I consulted church historian <br /><a href="http://www.nickgroves.yolasite.com/" rel="nofollow">Nick Groves</a> on this matter and this is what he said:<br /><br /><i>The Zoar book says that after the schism over communion, the strict communion people went to the Quaker meeting house at Gildencroft, under a Mr Bullimore, and has now died out. (St Mary's, while Particular, was not Strict.)<br /> <br />Zoar started as a schism from the Particular cause at Providence (the old Methodist Chapel in Cherry Lane): they bought it in 1817. They left Providence on 31 January 1875 "... for the truth's sake, and like Abraham of old went out not knowing whither we went"; as the church books of Providence prior to 1898 are lost, "it is difficult now to form a correct judgement as to the primary cause of the separation", but its sounds doctrinal.<br /> <br />They went first to Tabernacle ("Its name is now 'Ichabod', for it has fallen into decay ..." - and now indeed demolished). They were asked to leave in 1879, and then appear to have used Providence (what had happened to the cause there?) until they acquired the site of Zoar in 1886 for £120. The exact content of the meeting is not recorded in the chapel book, so we shall never know whether they deliberately pitched their tent at the gates of 'Sodom'! A Mr Gooderham had been supplying the pulpit at Jireh and Providence, and was invited to become paster of Zoar. He had been member of Zoar chapel in Gt Alie Street in London, and so I wonder if this is at least partly the reason for the choice behind the name?</i>Timothy V Reeveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913020911593893925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-89836706025472303092012-10-18T05:37:25.073-07:002012-10-18T05:37:25.073-07:00Zoar published a history in 1945, there is a copy ...Zoar published a history in 1945, there is a copy in the library in Norwich. It seems to indicate that the location of the building is a coincidence and its origins are independent of St. Mary's in a small meeting that took place in a tiny room off Bedford Street in about 1811 or so. They had a chapel on Dereham Road called Jireh that opened 1840, William Gadsby being the preacher. It closed because it was the private property of one man whose business failed about 1849. The name probably comes from the fact that Mr. Gooderham, the pastor under whom Zoar was built, had come from Zoar Chapel, Great Alie Street, London. Eli Ashdown, Pastor of Zoar Chapel in London, was the preacher at the opening service. Before Zoar was built the congregation had been moving around a variety of rented locations.Highland Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205436472908741409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-74482694968972719022009-02-09T03:27:00.000-08:002009-02-09T03:27:00.000-08:00Interesting. I note that Mottram attended the Octa...Interesting. I note that Mottram attended the Octagon Chapel; so he was Unitarian. The book "If stones could speak" has a page on amazon. I also notice some first editions seem to be available.Timothy V Reeveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913020911593893925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-37818626968826814182009-02-08T12:28:00.000-08:002009-02-08T12:28:00.000-08:00Ah that maybe because I spelled his name wrong. Bu...Ah that maybe because I spelled his name wrong. But take a look at this<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._H._Mottram <BR/>A fellow non conformist.<BR/>If you can get the book "if stone could speak" I guarantee you will enjoy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03686530785838937607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-79062071528757019692009-02-06T04:44:00.000-08:002009-02-06T04:44:00.000-08:00Thanks for comment Mr. Smith! I don't think I have...Thanks for comment Mr. Smith! I don't think I have heard of Motrum.Timothy V Reeveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913020911593893925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35189934.post-53407382838968578352009-02-05T16:40:00.000-08:002009-02-05T16:40:00.000-08:00Hi bro Tim.I enjoyed that.Ever read "If stones cou...Hi bro Tim.<BR/>I enjoyed that.<BR/>Ever read "If stones could speak"<BR/>By Motrum I think. I lent it to some one years ago and never got it back. I found it to be a deeply evocative book. I always had the intention to read it while walking in stages around the city.<BR/>I am also interested in looking at the spiritual history of Norwich. Something else we have in common.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03686530785838937607noreply@blogger.com